>> Ted: NEXT ON ARIZONA HORIZON, MAJOR SHAKEUPS IN CABLE NEWS AND TWO TIME MEDIA PERSONALITIES PART WAYS WITH THEIR NETWORKS.

A MEDAL OF HONORS AND 23 YEARS ON DEATH ROW BEFORE CONVICTED.

THESE NEXT ON "ARIZONA HORIZON."

>> GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO AS ORGANIZATION.

ARIZONA HORIZON.

I'M TED SIMONS.

TUCKER CARLSON IS OUT AT THE FOX NEWS CHANNEL.

FOX PARTED WAYS WITH THE HIGHEST RANKED AND FOX PAID $750 MILLION TO SETTLE A DEFFAMATION SUIT THAT HE SPREAD MISINFORMATION ABOUT THE 2020 ELECTION AND THEY'RE SUE PIDED.

AND CARLSON WAS INFORMED TO LET HIM GO TODAY AND HIS LAST SHOW WAS FRIDAY.

AND LESS THAN AN HOUR AFTER THAT ANNOUNCEMENT, CNN DON LEMON WAS LET GO AND THAT LEMON WAS OFFERED AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH MANAGEMENT AND, QUOTE, INSTEAD RELIED RELEASED A STATEMENT ON TWITTER.

>>> DEMOCRATS ANNOUNCED IN THE HOUSE THEY WILL NOT JOIN IN VOTING TO OVERRIDE GOVERNOR HOBBS' VETO AND THE BILL PASSED BOTH CHAMBERS WITH BIPARTISAN SUPPORT, BUT THE AND THEY SAY THEY WILL TAKE ANOTHER LOOK.

THEY WILL VILIFIED HER AND GOVERNOR DUCEY DID THAT LAST YEAR.

>>> A HEALTH NOTE SAYING DOGS CAN BE EFFECTIVE AT SNIFFING OUT ILLNESSES INCLUDING COVID.

THEY DID THIS AT PEOPLE'S ANKLES AND DEFECTED 85 INFECTIONS AND RULED OUT 3400 OTHERS AND THERE WERE 313 FALSE POSITIVES AND 18 MISSED INFECTIONS AND THE POINT IS NOT TO REPLACE ANTIGEN TESTING AND A PROCESS THAT HELPS AND NONINVASIVE.

>>> AS WE MENTIONED EARLIER, THE FOX NEWS CHANNEL ANNOUNCED TUCKER CARLSON IS NOT WITH THE NEXT AND CNN PARTED WAYS WITH DON LEMON.

WE WELCOME BILL GOODKOONTZ WHO COVERED AZFEDERAL.COM.

TUCKER CARLSON, WHY HIM AND WHY NOT?

>> THAT'S A QUESTION I WAS ASKING MYSELF.

I THINK IT CAME AS A PRIZE AND EVIDENTLY, A BIG SURPRISE AS TUCKER CARLSON.

I THINK SOME PEOPLE THOUGHT YOU RUN INTO A BIT OF A DANGER AND IN DOING SOMETHING LIKE THIS WITH OTHER LAWSUITS ONGOING.

ARE YOU NOT ACKNOWLEDGING, AT LEAST INDIRECTLY, HE WAS DOING SOMETHING WRONG.

HOWEVER, I MEAN, HE IS HARD TO CORRAL.

THE AMOUNT OF POWER THE GUY HAS IS INCREDIBLE.

I DON'T THINK EVEN RUPERT MURDOCH COULD MUZZLE HIM AND THAT SAID, THIS IS AN EFFECTIVE WAY.

>> Ted: RESULTS, THOUGH, AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE CURRENT LAWSUIT FROM THE CURRENT PRODUCER.

JUST IN GENERAL, LESS THAN A WEEK AFTER THIS DEFAMATION SUIT AND MORE THAN A COINCIDENCE.

>> OF COURSE.

AND MAYBE A STAB AT SOME SORT OF A JOURNALISTIC JOURNALISTIC INTEGRITY.

HE IS NOT NEARLY THE ONLY PERSON WHO WAS REVEALED IN A LOT OF THE TEXTS AND EMAILS AND STUFF TO KNOWINGLY SPREAD THIS INFORMATION THAT THEY DID NOT BELIEVE.

SO THAT WAS, I MEAN -- SOME PEOPLE CAN SAY, OH, WE KNEW THAT ALL ALONG AND THAT'S WHAT FOX NEWS DOES.

MAYBE, MAYBE NOT AND WE'VE NEVER SEEN IT WRITTEN OUT IN AN EMAIL OR TEXT BEFORE.

I MEAN, CARLSON AT ONE POINT TEXTED HANNITY AND SAID THAT A FOX NEWS REPORTER THAT FACT CHECKED ABOUT THE LENT ELECTION SHOULD BE FIRED.

>> Ted: YOU HAVE THE ELECTION AND EMAILS SAYING I DON'T BELIEVE WHAT I'M SAYING BUT YOU HAVE CRITICISM OF FOX INTERNAL ACTIONS AND DID THAT PLAY A PART?

>> THERE'S PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN AROUND RUPERT MURDOCH SAYING THAT HE REQUIRES WHAT HE REFER TO AS A "BLOOD SACRIFICE" IN MATTERS LIKE THIS AND I THINK PEOPLE THOUGHT SOMETHING WOULD HAPPEN.

A LOT OF PEOPLE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE SUZANNE SCOTT WHO RUNS FOX NEWS.

IT WASN'T.

I JUST THINK THAT EVERYBODY WAS SURPRISED AT THE TIMING AND WHO IT WAS.

>> Ted: LET'S TAKE A STEP BACK HERE.

WHY WAS AND, PERHAPS, IS, TUCKER CARLSON SO POPULAR?

>> HE DEALS IN FEAR AND OUTRAGE AND A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WATCH FOX NEWS WHO HAVE THE SAME FEARS AND MAD AT THE SAME THING.

I DON'T THINK CARLSON BELIEVED A LOT OF THE THINGS HE SAID AND WE HAVE EVIDENCE OF THAT BEING TRUE.

BUT I THINK THAT FEAR SELLS AND THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.

AND CARLSON -- HE'S BEEN ON CNN AND MSNBC AND FOX NEWS AND NOW HE'S GONE FROM ALL OF THEM.

HE STARTED OUT AS AN INTERESTING MAGAZINE WRITER AND CONSERVATIVE, YOU KNOW, AN INTERESTING GUY AND HE WAS NOT COMFORTABLE ON TV, CERTAINLY, ON CNN.

IT TOOK HIM AWHILE TO GET COMFORTABLE WITH THE MEDIAN.

ON FOX NEWS IN 2009 AND TONIGHT, HE STARTED IN 2016.

HE NOT MORE COMFORTABLE ON CAMERA, BUT THE MORE OUTRAGEOUS HE GOT, THE MORE POPULAR HE GOT AND THAT IS PROBABLY NOT A BIG SURPRISE.

THE OLD '50'S TV SHOWS AND PUBLIC SERVICE SHOWS WHERE PEOPLE DISCUSS HOW A BILL BECOMES A LAW AND THERE'S NOT A LOT OF ROOM FOR THAT ON MODERN TV AND I THINK CARLSON FOUND CLEARLY A LUCRATIVE AND SUCCESSFUL PATTERN, AWAY TO HONE IN ON SOME THINGS AND STOKED THE OUTRAGE AND THE FEAR AND, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAD TO BOIL A THEME DOWN TO WHAT HE SAID ABOUT MOST THINGS, IT WAS SOMEBODY IS COMING AFTER YOU AND TAKING SOMETHING FROM YOU.

TED >> Ted: FOX NEWS DROPPED IT SIGNIFICANTLY TODAY AND WHO SURVIVES?

WHAT'S NEXT FOR FOX AND WHAT'S NEXT FOR TUCKER CARLSON?

>> I DON'T KNOW, IF THEY FIRED ME -- I'M NOT SURE.

I DON'T KNOW IF SOMEBODY ELSE WOULD HAVE THAT IMPACT.

THEY WILL REPLACE HIM AT SOME POINT, BUT THEY GOT RID OF -- AGREED TO -- CAME TO AN AGREEMENT FOR HIM TO LEAVE.

THE MOST POPULAR HOST ON THEIR SHOW, ON THEIR NETWORK.

HE'S ONE OF THE MOST POPULAR PEOPLE ON TV OF ANY KIND AND THEY JUST SHOWED HIP THE DOOR.

HIM THE DOOR.

IT WILL INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT IT DOES TO THE RATINGS AND IT WON'T HELP.

OF COURSE, TWITTER WAS EVER EXPLODED.

>> Ted: WE LEARNED ABOUT DON LEMON, 17 YEARS AT CNN AND LEARNED THAT HE WAS, IN HIS WORDS, TERMINATED BECAUSE HE SENT OUT A TWEET.

>> HE DIDN'T WAIT FOR THEM -- [ Laughter ] >> AS YOU NOTED IN THE INTERIM, CNN PUSHES BACK SAYING WE WANTED TO MEET WITH THE GUY.

IF HE WANTS TO, GOOD FOR HIM, BUT THAT WAS -- IT USED TO BE THE ONLY FORGIVABLE SIN IN TV WAS BAD RATINGS AND HE GOT MOVED ABOUT SIX MONTHS AGO AND RAISINGS WERE DISMAL AND IN FEBRUARY, HE SAID UNTOWARD THINGS ABOUT NIKKI HALEY AND HER AGE THAT THEY WITHIN IN HER PRIME AND KEPT PUSHING BACK AND PUBLICALLY CALLED OUT BY THE CEO OF CNN AND UNDERWENT TRAINING.

HE WASN'T GOING TO SURVIVE THAT, THOUGH, NOT WITH THE RATINGS THEY HAD.

IF HE HAD TUCKER CARLSON'S RATINGS, WE WOULDN'T BE TALKING ABOUT THE ASPECT OF THIS STORY.

>> Ted: LAST QUESTION HERE BECAUSE I NOVEMBER ESPN KNOW ESPN HAD FIRINGS AND THINGS ARE ROCKY IN THE CABLE NEWS WORD.

THIS ISWORLD.IS STREAMING A FACTOR IN ALL OF THESE CHANGES?

>> I THINK STREAMING PLAYS A FACTOR AND CUTTING THE CABLE CORD, THAT PLAYS A ROLE.

BUT I THINK IN TUCKER CARLSON'S CASE, AND DON LEMON, IT WAS JUST, YOU KNOW, THEY JUST COULDN'T SUSTAIN IT ANY LONGER.

TED >> Ted: WHERE DOES EACH ONE GO FROM HERE.

IDONHERE?THERE'S A GOOD FOLLOWING.

>> Ted: UP NEXT, THERE'S ARIZONA TIES.

FOUND >> A TRIBUTE OF MEDAL TO HONOR RECIPIENTS CAN BE SEEN ALONGSIDE THE ROAD NEAR CAPE CREEK ROADS AND JIM WEARING WAS INSTRUMENTAL AND HE JOINS US NOW TO TALK ABOUT THIS ROADSIDE TRIBUTE AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

THE ARIZONA MEDAL OF HONOR.

IS THAT WHAT IT'S CALLED IN.

>> YES.

>> Ted: GIVE ME A BETTER DESCRIPTION.

>> THIS WAS BROUGHT TO ME BY A CONSTITUENT, THE IDEA, ARCHIE DIXON, SAW IT IN OREGON AND SUGGESTED IT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE, THE NATIONAL CEMETERY IS OUT IN DISTRICT 2 AND SO THERE WAS WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS AN APPROPRIATE SPACE AND THE QUESTION WAS FUNDING, WHERE WOULD WE GET IT.

IN PUBLIC LIFE THEY CALL YOU CONSERVATIVE AND SO WE HAD MONEY, BASICALLY, LEFT OVER, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN TURNED BACK TO THE CITY AND SOME OF THAT MONEY TO CREATE THESE SIGNS AND THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE OUT THERE TODAY.

>> Ted: NOT TOO MUCH PUSHBACK?

>> SIGNS CAN'T BE TOO BIG AND RESPECTFUL OF THE COLORS AND ONE COMPLAINT, A FELLOW OFFERED TO PAY TO TOTALLY REDO THE SIGNS AND MAKE THEM BIGGER AND FLASHIER AND WE USED THE OFFICIAL LOGOS AND COLORS AND THERE ARE RULES ABOUT HOW BIG SIGNS CAN BE.

>> Ted: AND HOW SEPARATE.

>> A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT THINGS TO BE COGNIZANT OF.

>> Ted: LET'S MENTION THE RECIPIENTS.

THE WHITE MOUNTAIN, BUFFALO SOLDIER AND TALK TO ME ABOUT THOSE FOLKS.

>> THE ACTS OF HEROISM ARE PHENOMENAL AMERICAN STORIES AND JOE FOSS, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR, I GOT TO KNOW HIM QUITE WELL AND ENJOYED HIM AS A PERSON.

AND YOU KNOW, JUST A PILOT WHO SHOT DOWN A LOT OF PLANES IN WORLD WAR II IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME AND WAS AWARDED THE MEDAL OF HONOR BY PRESIDENT ROOSEVELT AND THE FOOTBALL LEAGUE AND THERE'S A JOE FOSS WAY COMING HOME FROM CHURCH.

REALISTICALLY, HE WAS A PHENOMENAL MAN AND IF YOU GET TO MEET THESE AMERICAN HEROES, YOU REALIZE THEY PUT IT ALL ON THE LINE FOR COMRADES IN A DANGEROUS SETTING AND EARNED THEIR HONOR.

>> Ted: MANUEL MENDOZA, THE ARIZONA KID IN WORLD WAR II.

SO THE PHOENIX -- I MEAN IS THAT LITERALLY HOW THIS GOT STARTED AND YOU GOT A PHONE CALL FROM A PHOENIX PRESIDENT?

>> I DID.

I APPRECIATE ARCHIE BRINGING IT TO ME AND HE TRAVELS IN POLITICAL CIRCLES AND OUT DRIVING, VISITING RELATIVES AND SAW THIS.

WHY DON'T WE HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS AND YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T HAVE A GOOD ANSWER AND WE WERE DETERMINED TO DO THIS AND I APPRECIATE THE STREET'S DEPARTMENT AND THEY WORK VERY HARD ON THIS TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN.

IT'S NOT AS EASY WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE RULES.

WE WANTED TO BE RESPECTFUL OF EVERYBODY.

THIS HAPPENED DURING COVID AND WE WEREN'T ABLE TO DO A BIG KICKOFF LIKE YOU MIGHT SEE.

IT DIDN'T GET THE PUBLICITY FOR THE RECIPIENTS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE EXPECTED.

BUT I REMEMBER, I GOT EMOTIONAL THE FIRST TIME I DROVE AND REALIZED THAT THESE ARE THE SIGNS.

YOU KNOW THEY'RE COMING AND THERE THEY ARE.

>> Ted: HOW LONG OF A PROCESS DOES THIS TAKE?

IT HAS TO GO THROUGH A NUMBER OF HURDLES.

>> I IMAGINE EIGHT MONTHS AND WE HAVE TO BE RESPECTFUL OF ARCHIE'S DESIRES AND HE'S A PRIVATE CITIZEN AND SOMETIMES RESPONSES WEREN'T IMMEDIATE BUT WE DID GET IT DONE AND IN WHAT I THINK IS A TIMELY FASHION AND MAYBE EIGHT MONTHS.

>> Ted: WHAT KIND OF REACTION?

>> PEOPLE HAVE CALLED AND THIS IS OUT OF STATE PEOPLE WHO IS LOOKED UP NOT MYSELF, BUT HAVE FOUND OUTLETS AT THE CITY TO SAY, HEY, I SAW THIS AND THIS IS GREAT AND THEY TAKE IT BACK JUST LIKE ARCHIE TOOK HIS EXPERIENCE BACK TO OURS AND YOU MAY SEE THIS IN OTHER STATES, AS WELL, AND IT'S A POSSIBILITY.

>> Ted: IS THERE A PERMANENCE?

IT'S OPENED LAND AND IT WILL BE DEVELOPED AND IF THAT LAND IS DEVELOPED, IT'S OUT THERE AND DO THE SIGNS STAY OR MOVE, OR DO YOU MOVE THEM SOMEWHERE ELSE?

>> IF YOU HAVE SEEN AN OLD STOP SIGN, THE SUN WILL BLEACH IT OUT.

I'VE SEEN WHITE STOP SIGNS AND IN PARKING LOTS AND NOW THEY HAVE BETTER PRODUCTS THAT LAST LONGER AND THAT'S WHAT WE TRIED TO DO HERE AND THEY SHOULD BE THERE AND I WOULD ARGUE IN PERPETUITY POINT.

>> Ted: IT MUST BE SATISFY.

SATISFYING.

>> SADLY, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THE CASE OF A MED EQUAL MEDAL OF HONOR RECIPIENT.

REALLY APPRECIATE ARCHIE'S WORK AND TO SAY THEY HAVE GOTTEN SOMETHING OUT OF THE SIGNS AND THE TARGET AUDIENCE IS KIDS AND TO ME, WHAT ARE THE SIGNS, DAD?

MAYBE THEY LOOK UP TO PEOPLE AND SO FORTH AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE AIMING FOR.

>> Ted: COUNCILMAN, GOOD TO SEE YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

>> WE'RE ONLY HERE FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME AND ONE OF OUR DUTIES TO RESPECT THE LAND FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS SO OUR PEOPLE CAN INHABIT THAT LAND.

>> Ted: DEBRA MILKY WAS SENTENCED TO THE DEATH FOR HER 4-YEAR-OLD SON IN 1989 AND HER CONVICTION WAS OVERTURNED AND SHE WAS RELEASED IN JANA BOMMERBACH WROTE A BOOK AND HAS A PODCAST AND GOOD TO SEE YOU.

>> GOOD TO SEE YOU.

>> Ted: THAT'S A LONG TIME AGO AND SEEMS LIKE YESTERDAY.

>> THIS ONE OF THE MOST UNBELIEVABLE CASES I'VE SEEN IN MY LIFE.

I SPENT 490 PAGES TELLING THIS STORY IN MY JOURNALISTIC EFFORT AND SHOCKING ME.

THE PODCAST IS PERSONAL AND I TELL THIS STORY IN EIGHT SEGMENTS AND IT'S FAR MORE DRAMATIC AND DYNAMIC AND IN THIS TIME, I'M TELLING YOU WHAT I THINK.

>> Ted: YES.

>> I'M TRYING TO TELL YOU, HOW IS IT WORKS.

>> Ted: ARE YOU USING SOUND FROM BACK IN THE DAY?

>> CLIPS FROM DIFFERENT NEWSCASTS AND WE'VE WOVEN THOSE IN.

>> Ted: FOR THOSE NEW TO THE AREA AND JUST ABOUT EVERYBODY THESE DAYS?

>> WHO IS DEBRA?

>> A 25-YEAR-OLD SINGLE MOTHER ACCUSED OF HAVING HER LITTLE BOY KILLED ON HIS WAY TO SEE SANTA IN DECEMBER OF 1989 AND CLAIM SHE HAD CONFESSED TO KILLING HER SON AND SO WHAT?

JUST THROW HER AWAY AND THE OWN ONLY WOMAN ON DEATH ROW BEFORE THE NIGHTS OF HER COURT OF APPEALS, GIVE THIS WOMAN A FAIR TRIAL OR SET HER FREE.

I'M SURE YOU CAN IMAGINE.

>> Ted: I DO.

>> HYSTERIA IN THE STATE.

WHEN I READ THE NIGHTS OF THE COURT OF APPEAL'S DECISION, 99% OF PEOPLE IN ARIZONA WHO THOUGHT SHE WAS GUILTY AS HELL.

AND IT LOOKED TO EVERYBODY THAT SHE HAD TO HAVE DONE THIS AND CONFESSED.

WHEN YOU READ THE NIGHTS OF COURT OF APPEALS, I READ THAT AND EVERY SENTENCE TORE THIS STATE APART, THAT THIS WAS AN IGNOREANT STATE.

>> Ted: THE MAJOR FACTOR WAS THE DETECTIVE WHO TOOK THE SO-CALLED CONNECTION, CONFESSION, TRUE?

>> DID NOT WITNESS OR SIGN THE CONFESSION AND HIS WORD AGAINST HER WORD AND A DECORATED POLICE OFFICER AND HIS WORD WAS BETTER THAN THE 25-YEAR-OLD WOMAN, VERY PRETTY YOUNG WOMAN, A SINGLE MOTHER.

THEY ABSOLUTELY TORE HER REPUTATION APART AND MADE HER OUT TO BE THIS TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE MOTHER AND HER FAMILY TESTIFIED AGAINST HER AND THE DECK WAS STACKED AGAINST THIS WOMAN AND THERE WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE LEGAL FIELD WHO, WHEN THEY LOOKED AT THIS CASE SAID, THIS IS WRONG, THIS WOULDN'T DIDN'T DO ANYTHING AND TOOK 25 YEARS FOR THAT TO GO THROUGH.

>> Ted: THAT DETECTIVE, NOT INTRODUCED AT THE TRIAL AND IT'S INTERESTING YOU BRING THIS UP, BECAUSE LEGALLY, I MEAN, THE QUESTION MARKS ARE BOLD AND IN NEON AND I KNOW SOME FOLKS WHO THINK SHE'S GUILTY AS SIN.

>> I KNOW SOME FOLKS WHO THINK THE SAME THING AND, OBVIOUSLY, YOU DID NOT READ ANY BOOK AND SEE HOW I LAY OUT ALL OF THE EVIDENCE AND TAKE EVERY PIECE OF EVERYTHING THEY CHARGED AND STEP BY STEP BY STEP IN THE BOOK.

I DO IN THE PODCAST, TOO, AND SHOW YOU HOW THIS WHOLE THING EVOLVED AND HOW IT WAS MANIPULATED AND HOW THE MEDIA WAS ABSOLUTELY ASLEEP AT THE SAME.

I'M SO ASHAMED OF THE ARIZONA MEDIA, SINCE 1982, AT HOW LITTLE THEY DUG INTO THIS CASE AND HOW EASILY THEY WERE BAMBOOZLEED BY THIS.

>> Ted: WHAT ABOUT THE ACCOMPLICES?

>> BOTH ON DEATH ROW AND EDERLY NOW AND THESE TWO MEN ARE THE TWO MEN WHO KILLED CHRISTOPHER.

THERE'S A DEBATE WHICH IS THE ONE WHO PULLED THE TRIGGER AND THE STATE SAYS ONE PERSON.

AND THERE'S AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF MIXING YET IN THIS CASE.

>> Ted: HER ACCOMPLICES AND SHE WAS ON DEATH ROW FOR SO LONG.

>> AFTER HER LIFE.

SHE WAS 24 WAS WHEN SHE WENT IN AND 49 WHEN SHE CAME OUT AND IT'S AMAZING THAT SHE SURVIVED AND WAS NOT BITTER AND VINDICATIVE AND TERRIBLE AND SAID, I'M SO GLAD TO BE FREE THAT I WILL DO ANYTHING YOU TELL ME.

SHE HAD AN ANKLE BRACELET ON AND HER MOTHER IN SWITZERLAND WAS DYING AT THAT TIME AND THE COUNTY -- WHAT'S THE GUY'S NAME?

>> Ted: THE COUNTY ATTORNEY.

>> HE WOULD NOT LET HER SPEND TIME WITH HER MOTHER AND THEY LAUGHED AT HER AND BE WITH MY DEAD MOTHER AND DRAGGING THIS CASE OUT, TRYING TO PRETEND THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE THERE.

>> Ted: HAVE YOU TALKED TO HER AND WHAT'S SHE DOING RIGHT NOW?

>> SHE'S HAD IT WITH ARIZONA.

SHE'S DOING GREAT WORK WITH A JUSTICE PROJECT FOR PEOPLE ON DEATH ROW AND WORKING WITH THE LEGAL AID SOCIETY TO HELP PEOPLE GET LEGAL ASSISTANCE AND HAS A COUPLE OF DOGS SHE'S RAISING AND SHE'S BUILDING HER LIFE BACK TOGETHER.

>> Ted: LAST QUESTION.

WHY A PODCAST ON A CASE THAT HAS -- IT'S A LOT OF FOLKS DON'T REMEMBER IT AND THOSE WHO REMEMBER IT DON'T WANT TO AND WHY THIS PODCAST AND WHY NOT?

>> BECAUSE THEY SHOULD KNOW HOW VICIOUS THE STATE CAN BE AND HOW MANY LIES THEY CAN TELL AND PART OF A CONSPIRACY AGAINST SOMEBODY AND IF IT CAN HAPPEN TO A MIDDLE-CLASS WHITE WOMAN, IT CAN HAPPEN TO ANYBODY IN THIS SOCIETY.

>> Ted: WHERE DO THEY FIND THE PODCAST?

>> WE HAVEN'T QUITE SOLD IT YET, "CRIMINAL MINDED MEDIA" IS MY COMPANY AND WE'LL LET YOU KNOW.

>> Ted: FAIR ENOUGH AND GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN.

>> THANK YOU.

>> Ted: I'M TED SIMONS AND YOU HAVE A GREAT EVENING.