
Prisons with ISIS members a radicalization breeding ground
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Prisons holding ISIS members in Syria a breeding ground for radicalization, officials say
It’s been five years since the Islamic State was defeated by a U.S.-led military campaign in Syria. But today some 10,000 ISIS fighters remain jailed inside Syrian detention centers. Human rights groups call conditions in the prisons abusive and local authorities warn they are a breeding ground for radicalization and an Islamic State revival. Special correspondent Leila Molana-Allen reports.
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Prisons with ISIS members a radicalization breeding ground
Clip: 5/3/2024 | 9m 13sVideo has Closed Captions
It’s been five years since the Islamic State was defeated by a U.S.-led military campaign in Syria. But today some 10,000 ISIS fighters remain jailed inside Syrian detention centers. Human rights groups call conditions in the prisons abusive and local authorities warn they are a breeding ground for radicalization and an Islamic State revival. Special correspondent Leila Molana-Allen reports.
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Learn Moreabout PBS online sponsorshipWILLIAM BRANGHAM: It's been five years# since the Islamic State, or ISIS,## was defeated the U.S.-led# military campaign in Syria.
But today, nearly 10,000 ISIS fighters remain# jailed inside Syrian detention centers.
Human## rights groups call conditions in the prisons# abusive, and local authorities warn they are## a breeding ground for radicalization# and could help spark an ISIS revival.
Special correspondent Leila Molana-Allen traveled# to Northeast Syria to meet high-security prisoners## and the regional forces that# are still battling ISIS.
LEILA MOLANA-ALLEN: The horrors of ISIS, a# threat long past, the world believed.
So,## ISIS-K's devastating attack on# Moscow came out of the blue.
But for the Middle Eastern governments# and civilians who have been warning of## the group's resurgence for many months now, it# was all but inevitable.
Here in Northeast Syria,## where thousands of ISIS fighters are# locked up, unsentenced in crumbling jails,## and tens of thousands more ISIS-linked families# languish in displacement camps, the Syrian## Democratic Forces have been begging their# Western allies to address the growing threat.
SIAMAND ALI, Military Spokesperson, Syrian#Democra... risk for them.
This kind of thinking has# given the chance for ISIS to reorganize## themselves.
They rebuilt new groups and# they began a new strategy to start again.
LEILA MOLANA-ALLEN: The vast desert between# Hasakah and Deir ez-Zor, the Badiya,## is one of Syria's most deadly areas.
ISIS# controlled this territory for several years.
The rugged, open terrain here makes it easy# for militants to conceal weapons and fighters,## harass local farmers for# money and plan operations.
We're on a patrol with the SDF through the lawless# desert area leading up to the Iraqi border.## There are many villages here where people still# support ISIS and some of them hide sleep cells.
Whenever there's an alert, the commandos get# out to investigate and speak to villagers.## Some support ISIS.
Many others are terrorized by# them.
They're trying to catch security threats and## eliminate them before they can carry out an attack# and to remind everyone who's in charge here.
Commander Zinar knows the danger.
He was# permanently maimed in a 2016 ISIS explosion.
COMMANDER ZINAR, Special Forces, Syrian Democratic# Forces (through translator): Our goal is to track## down ISIS sleeper cells who are attacking an.. a lot of military operations in this area,# but, still, they're reorganizing themselves.
LEILA MOLANA-ALLEN: With so much ground# to cover and such a high threat level,## more and more militants are# slipping through the net.
The## huge ISIS prison break two years ago# was staged from these sprawling sands.
Dozens of sleeper cells attacked using suicide# bombs and armed trucks; 1,000 prisoners escaped.## Over 100 were never recaptured, and 120 SDF# officers and local civilians were killed.
The attack ended after 10 days only thanks# to coalition airstrikes.
Local authorities## warned they couldn't defeat another escape# attempt alone if U.S. forces leave Syria.
Nureddine Berham is a high security# prisoner at Al Sina'a.
We were given rare## access to speak with him before the Moscow# attack.
A militant jihadist to his core,## he's been joining up with Islamist# militias to fight Western ideology## since he traveled to Pakistan to# support Osama bin Laden in the '90s.
Originally Jordanian, the rest of# his family are American citizens,## and he claims he traveled to the U.S.# regularly on visas until the mid-2000s.## In Syria, he signed up with ISIS as# a suicide bomber, but was captured.
NUREDDINE BERHAM, Imprisoned ISIS Fighter# (through translator): I was waiting for my## turn, and eagerly.
So it didn't# happen.
Mo.. if you were outside of this prison, I'm# not going to tell that I'm -- if I'm able## to make every -- every minute, a martyrdom# operation, I will do it every second.
LEILA MOLANA-ALLEN: Berham was at# the forefront of the prison break,## handing weapons to other inmates.
He# says the prisoners managed to smuggle## in weapons and mobile phones to receive# instructions from the attackers outside.
NUREDDINE BERHAM: The plan was, when we# hear the bomb, when we hear the explosion,## we have to break the walls and just# break out.
In like 15 or 20 minutes,## we were taking control of the whole prison.
LEILA MOLANA-ALLEN: Authorities here# wouldn't let us see inside the cells.## Berham says the prisoners live in horrendous# conditions, often more than 20 to a cell,## and with many suffering from# fungal infections and tuberculosis.
But that lack of oversight also allows# them to continue their radicalization,## operating a mini-Dawlat, Islamic State, unimpeded.
NUREDDINE BERHAM: And inside the prison, we# were still Dawlat.
We were still implementing## Sharia.
We would rather die than to# live this kind of life.
We're fighters.
LEILA MOLANA-ALLEN: Berham says they will# keep trying to break out until they succeed.
You have just told me you want to blow yourself# up at any opportunity.
You want any opportunity## to fight America, to fight this government.# How and why could you possibly be released?
NUREDDINE BERHAM: It doesn't matter how long we# stay in prison.
We're not going to change it.
This## is the 11th time I be in prison.
And every time,# I go back, and, every time, I go back to fighting.
LEILA MOLANA-ALLEN: The prison was# destroyed and the prisoners are now## housed in a new facility.
But the# attack showed that keeping so many## dangerous militants in these conditions with# limited security forces is unsustainable.
There are thousands of ISIS-linked prisoners# being held here in a city of fewer than## 450,000 people.
Many of those jails are in# residential areas.
The one just behind me,## which holds some of the most# dangerous captured ISIS fighters,## is just meters from a busy shopping street# and children playing in front of their homes.
Mohammad lives on this street.
He# knows just how real that threat is.
His## young family was at home when the shooting# began, then banging on the front door.
MOHAMMAD, Hasakah, Syria, Resident (through# translator): One of them was pointing a gun.## The others walked in.
They were all dressed# in prison uniforms.
Then the clashes,## shelling and shooting started.
They killed# my cousin.
They shot him in his head here,## and it came out from the other side.
LEILA MOLANA-ALLEN: Escaped fighters# occupied homes, taking residents hostage,## as grenades rained down over the narrow streets,# beheading several residents who didn't obey them.
Mohammad's 5-year-old son, Adam,# hasn't slept through the night since.
MOHAMMAD (through translator): My son calls, "Dad,## it's ISIS" in his sleep.
"Daddy, will# ISIS escape?
Wil.. What have these children done to live this horror?## God forbid if they flee the prison# again.
What will happen to people?
LEILA MOLANA-ALLEN: The Syrian Democratic# Forces estimate there are at least 10,000## ISIS fighters still active in the# area, and that number is growing.
Now, in a speech posted online, ISIS leaders# have called on their supporters to plan fresh## attacks on cities around the globe.
Former# U.S. Army Colonel Myles Caggins was the## coalition spokesman in Iraq and Syria at the# height of the battle to defeat ISIS.
For him,## Northeast Syria's overflowing# jails are a ticking time bomb.
COL. MYLES CAGGINS (RET.
), U.S. Army:# The world doesn't really want to deal## with these 10,000 detainees.
President# Biden and his administration have.. the policy of the previous administration, where# nobody really wants to talk much about Syria.
The American public, in particular,# does not hear much about ISIS until## there's something like a massive attack# that happened in Russia.
It is important,## though, for the world to pay attention to ISIS.
There are wealthy individuals who support# ISIS' ideology.
The scale and type of attacks## that they conduct do not require a lot# of money, but they're able to get a large## effect out of them by having these attacks# in highly visible places and recording the## attacks and sharing it as propaganda,# propaganda that is desired -- designed## to inspire other members of ISIS.
It's# designed to inspire potential recruits.
LEILA MOLANA-ALLEN: Officials here# are threatening to carry out their## own trials if an international# tribunal isn't established,## but, in, reality courts here don't have the# jurisdiction to try many of these prisoners.
With foreign nations refusing# to take back their citizens,## fighters sit in wait, plotting their# escape and the group's return to power.
NUREDDINE BERHAM: We have to fight# to the last drop of our blood.
We## are more insisting now to fight you,# America, and all that is fighting with## you (SPEAKING IN FOREIGN LANGUAGE)# until it's either us or you guys.
LEILA MOLANA-ALLEN: For the# "PBS NewsHour," I'm Leila## Molana-Allen in Al Sina'a prison, Northeast Syria.
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